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5/12/2013 6:00:00 AM
Column: Mohave County: Where the gun fun never ends

Alan Choate
News Editor


The fun with guns never stops around Mohave County.

The latest chapter came last week from the county Board of Supervisors, who were pressed about including public libraries on the list of county buildings where people are now allowed to carry firearms.

The librarians made a case that this was not a good idea; the supervisors, for the most part, said county building means county building, so bring your guns, citizens.

Supervisor Steve Moss was good enough to speak to the issue in our online forum (his colleague Hildy Angius does this too, and I think that's fantastic of them), and here's what he said:

County employees and the public can carry legal weapons into county buildings, provided they're in a scabbard or holster. Other elected officials, such as the sheriff or a judge, can set their own rules for their respective spaces, however, and some offices can be designated as gun-free if the Board of Supervisors says so.

Libraries are fair game, though: "If they want guns out of libraries," he said, "they need to have armed security on hand to protect the public before the public is stripped of their right to defend themselves."

In a library.

Sure. Those "Harry Potter" vs. "Twilight" debates can really get out of hand.

According to library staff, altercations do break out from time to time, and that's their concern - a scuffle turning into a shooting.

I've said before that I think this whole policy is a sideshow boondoggle for a small, loud group that thinks a crazed mass shooter lurks behind every tree and corner, but even if you support this you should have a problem with the way it's set up.

Consider: Weapons are allowed in all county buildings, except maybe this one or that one, depending on who's in charge of the space or what vote the Board took on a particular day. It's a patchwork of different rules, and those who do carry for whatever reason can get tripped up depending on which door they walk into.

It's very easy to make things too complicated. Let guns in or keep guns out, but be consistent.

And Mr. Moss: I disagree with you, but I really do think your comments are great. Keep 'em coming.

•••

A place where I would take a weapon or two is Mars. Conveniently, there's this group called Mars One that's recruiting potential colonists for a permanent vacation on the Red Planet starting around 2023.

They insist they're serious. Unmanned missions would start around 2016, delivering supplies in advance of the colonists' arrival. So far, around 80,000 people have applied for what will ultimately be 24 to 40 spots. The idea is that the people arrive in waves, build a self-sustaining pod settlement and live out their lives while the entire expedition is beamed back to Earth via good ol' reality TV. (Broadcast sponsorships and advertising will provide the billions of dollars of needed revenue, you see.)

The concept is not a new one. Similar ideas have been floating around for decades, positing that we can reach Mars and build a colony using existing technology. But Mars One looks more like a publicity stunt than a serious expedition.

The applicant pool is basically anyone over 18. The search also values people who are resilient, adaptive, creative and curious more than someone with expertise in, say, building and maintaining a life-support pod under conditions that will kill you.

It's also not a good sign that applicants submit video applications that are then rated by other users - think of NASA using "Hot or Not" to pick astronauts.

It also costs money to apply, anywhere from $5 to $75, depending on your country of origin. Assuming an average fee of $40, that means so far the Mars One guys have raked in around $3.2 million. They're expecting 500,000 applicants, which would give them a cool $20 million in the bank - all from setting up a website and sending out the mother of all press releases.

I wish I'd thought of it.




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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, May 21, 2013
Article comment by: Tj Denton

Guns are legal, concealing your gun is legal, i carry mine everywhere and no one sees it, and i wont tell you about it either...thats the way it is, get over it. But while you mock me for always carrying..when youre getting robbed, dont look at me for help.

Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2013
Article comment by: R H

Just because the Daily Miner offices are a gun free zone , he wants EVERYWHERE to be a gun free zone. Your petty phobias are not a sound basis for public policy . Guns were legal there long before this ignorance caused the gun bans to be enacted. No one was slaughtered and a sign would NOT stop someone intent on slaughter anyway.

Posted: Monday, May 13, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Frank Harris

"will not be happy here until there is a tragedy."

If or when it does happen, the odds favor it will be in a "gun free zone". Will your half-baked leftist philosophy comfort you then? But if and when it does you will likely be happy for having another reason to screech for gun-control.


Posted: Monday, May 13, 2013
Article comment by: Gun Free

Great article Alan, especially loved the comment:

"a small, loud group that thinks a crazed mass shooter lurks behind every tree and corner"

There may be more of them than you think.


Posted: Monday, May 13, 2013
Article comment by: No One No Where

Mr. Choate,

What part of "Gun-Free Zone" being a magnet for deranged individuals do you not understand?


Posted: Monday, May 13, 2013
Article comment by: R H

Mr. Choate:
Why are you criticizing the decision to make the policy uniform across most county buildings when that is exactly what you ask for at the end of your piece ?. That is exactly the point of ending the anti-gun policies : To make it uniform unless there is a VERY good reason to exclude them. As to why people may need to carry in a library , you are ignoring the better question : Why NOT ?. As an example , I need only present MY reason for not going to the library I am involuntarily taxed to fund , yet are excluded from simply because I practice my civil right to be armed. I like to ride my motorcycle and bicycle whenever I can and this requirement to lock them up OUTSIDE , losing the most important safety aspect of CUSTODY and responsibility for said firearm , I must ask WHY people with irrational fears of citizens practicing a civil right feel the need to exclude people.
I go about my business every day with a firearm and only leave it at home or locked in a car WHEN THERE IS A GOOD REASON TO DO SO. Going to a library , paying a tax bill , or conducting my interactions with county agencies should not mean I must disarm first UNLESS THERE IS A GOOD REASON. Your phobias do NOT constitute 'good reason'. The burden of proof is on YOU , and you have not met it or even gotten close to meeting it.


Posted: Monday, May 13, 2013
Article comment by: Cool Hand Lucia

Yay Board of Supervisors for doing what's right for individual liberties!!! Libraries are no more invincible to shooters than schools are, so I would feel a bit more safe that I might be able to protect myself there. As for any possible confusion as to who allows and who doesn't, I guess most of us can read a well-placed sign. And the potential colonization of Mars is just another money-making venture that we'll need to be holstering our lasers there too! Alan, would you care to give it up now? ... you've been outdrawn!



Posted: Monday, May 13, 2013
Article comment by: Frank Harris

The loud minority of gun huggers will not be happy here until there is a tragedy. It's a real shame the BOS cowered to this group.

Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2013
Article comment by: Toni Marie Swats

Alan, I know you're new-ish to Kingman but I urge you to learn a bit more about self protection and about the second amendment.

The fact that "gun nuts" exist does not invalidate the second amendment any more than "tree hugging vegan eco terrorists" invalidate the need for the protection of the environment and animals.

Just as a library is not the first place you'd instinctively need to defend yourself, neither is a movie theater.

Please consider the consequences of limiting the locations a legal gun owner with a legal permit can carry his or her firearm. If a person leaves his house and has three locations to visit, if one is a "gun free zone" he must lock his weapon in his car. And cars never get broken into in Kingman by criminals, right? The library parking lot (or another gun free zone) becomes an asphalt gun shop.

So a responsible gun owner's choices in the current environment are to avoid that public service or be de facto stripped of his 2nd amendment rights. I'd be far more inclined to do as you suggest at the end of that segment and wipe out the arbitrary restrictions entirely.


Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2013
Article comment by: Bonnie Kelley

Were are you from? I go to the library once a week. And since I carry to many books to pack a heavy revolver also I wouldn't utilize that right. It is our right as American citizens to pack. And before all the liberals lived here we had few problems with this. The majority of us Kingmanites believe in America and Freedom here. And I have never seen a altercation or argument in the library and have been a avid reader all my life. And have had a library card and utilized it intensely everywhere I have lived.
But what about someone walking or riding a bike? They don't have a safe place to leave their weapon.How about the liberals go with the flow or go back to were they come from. No one asked them to come here and push their illegal ideas on us.


Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2013
Article comment by: No Guns In Kingman Library

I like the direction that the BOS has taken regarding the gun issue.

The gun issue in the Kingman library is a moot point. Federal Law prohibits guns within 1,000 feet of a school. There are at least two schools within 1,000 feet of the Kingman library.

Don't need a sign prohibiting guns, its already a Federal Law.


Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2013
Article comment by: desert dweller

yeh, make it easy for the insane and create "no gun zones" so they know where they can go and do their dirty work and not be in danger of getting their asses shot off! B.S...no one in this pathetic liberal bunch is going to rob me of my 2nd amendment right to defend myself ANYWHERE I go!



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