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12/12/2012 6:01:00 AM
Kingman Letter: Time to move over, Grover

Who is Grover Norquist? I don't remember anyone voting for him! He is a lobbyist. His pressure group, Americans for Tax Reform, was created in 1986 and ever since has been prevailing on Republican officials to sign a pledge to voters never to raise income taxes or corporate taxes, never even to end tax breaks without guaranteeing a matching cut in taxes.

Individuals who break the pledge find themselves challenged from within their own party, by challengers heavily backed by the Norquist organization.

Since when does an outside organization run our government? Republicans in Washington D.C. need to - indeed should - boot Norquist and his organization out!

Those senators and congressmen/women were voted into office to represent us, We The People, not some pledge written by some self-serving lobbyist and his organization.

Elbert G. Ward

Kingman



Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Article comment by: About What

@ anonymous anonymous

Gov Brewer also thinks that the Bushmaster used in Conn is an Automatic weapon also!


Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2012
Article comment by: Unions Help the Individual to

And David why is it so hard for those union hater to understand that most of western europe is unionized and has a higher standard of living than we do?

Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2012
Article comment by: A Proud Democrat

Oh gaud, the bubble. David broaden your information sources to include FactCheck.org, FreeSpeech TV, DemocracyNow.com even MSNBC occassionally. Yes, unions are a part of the Democratic party. However unions are a small part. Remember we are the party of women, Blacks, Jews, Hispanics, Asians, Caucasian women (Caucasian men have their own party - Republican), the middle class, workers (including union workers) and all reasonable Americans.

Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

SEVENTH ATTEMPT

@ LA

“Second, obama has been trampling the Constitution clear back to when he was a Senator and active homosexual in the gay bar scene in Chicago.”

More of the usual hyperbolic nonsense by Ms Athens. Why do you post such ridiculous and debunked garbage? No matter how many times you make these statements they will always be wrong.

”And representing the people? Ever hear of over 60% of Americans being opposed to obamacare but he crammed it down our throats anyway?”

Ever hear of the FACT that 64% of Americans want the ACA and support the changes that have already put into effect?

“Ever hear of half the country is opposed to labor unions…”

I will pointlessly ask that you now provide some empirical evidence to support that incorrect assertion.

As to unions and the “right to work.” I was an area steward for the CWA back in the mid-1970s and no one was obligated to belong to the union (BTW – that has been against the law since Taft-Hartley in the 1940s) and yet the people who refused to belong to the union where the biggest whiners and filed the most grievances. So called “right to work” states lag in pay, benefits and working conditions.

w/c209


Posted: Friday, December 14, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

Governor Brewer seems to have delusions of becoming a dictator and disregard term limitations! Now this one is amusing!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/13/jan-brewer-third-term_n_2292799.html?utm_hp_ref=politics


Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2012
Article comment by: David Gaither

Nice Chuckle wrote:

"The executives should as well, and their salaries and bonuses are growing at a higher rate than the workers."

I agree 100% with that.

Everyone of us, workers and executives, alike will have to accept the lowering of wages, salaries and bonuses, if we are going to maintain a strong economy, in today's world.

Unfortunately, greed on all sides keeps us from solving the worlds economic problems!


Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2012
Article comment by: No Way

@ Nice Chuckle

" Why should it only be the workers who accept lower wages. The executives should as well, and their salaries and bonuses are growing at a higher rate than the workers."

That's funny to even suggest that all the "Romney's" in the US take a cut or refuse bonuses!


Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2012
Article comment by: Nice Chuckle

@David

" Our workers have to compete with other world worker's wages or those jobs will leave the U.S.! Unions have not shown that they are willing to accept the inevitable lower wages and benefits. "

For the most part, I agree with you, the unions are getting greedy. I do have one objection to this post though. Why should it only be the workers who accept lower wages. The executives should as well, and their salaries and bonuses are growing at a higher rate than the workers.


Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2012
Article comment by: OUR OWN WORST ENEMY MR.C.

@Mr. Ward Given today's attitude toward congress by the general public or lack thereof, Groups such as those formed by people like Grover Norquist, they actually flourish. Flourish that is, until push comes to shove. You maybe interested to know, one Rep Chris Gibson of N.Y. who signed such a pledge, is now renouncing that very pledge he made to Grover Norquist group. Many politician find, keeping the faith, often comes face too face with political reality and the only Oath they should be taking is on the floor of the house and senate.

@L.A. Linda, YE are of so little faith, The Big "O" as I like to call him, is far from becoming my favorite president of all time, How ever he does not operate in a vacuum, You may find some similarity between him and someone we both follow in the bible. If, I'm to believe one should be judge by the company he/she kept & "I'm not ", putting the Big "O" up there by comparison to Jesus, No one here on this earth will ever make that grade. Just remember where Jesus walked and who he associated with. If we do anything at all, it would be to pray for him and those around him Praying they do what's right for the country and avoided the temptation thinking only of themselves, by forgetting why "we" send them to Washington.


Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: Joe Schmo

@David Gaither:

US workers' wages will never be competitive with third world countries that have no problem paying slave wages to their workers.

Is that what you really want? A race to the bottom? We can be competitive in other ways, such as having a highly skilled, highly educated, and productive workforce. We won't get that by shrinking worker's salaries and in doing so destroying what is left of the middle class. Stop being an apologist for the wealthy who are doing just fine and the big corporations and stand up for yourself for a change.

@Frank Lee:

For every George Soros out there I can name a dozen wealthy individuals who spent hundreds of millions trying to elect Republicans in this last election. They didn't get much bang for their buck.

Can you imagine how much good that money would have done if instead of wasting it trying to buy politicians whose policies would destroy the middle class, these wealthy donors used their money to pay their employees a living wage, invested in this country and stopped shipping our jobs overseas?


Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

Anson's Nephew

First, Grover isn't POTUS. He isn't anything elected.

Second, obama has been trampling the Constitution clear back to when he was a Senator and active homosexual in the gay bar scene in Chicago.

And representing the people? Ever hear of over 60% of Americans are opposed to obamacare but he crammed it down our throats anyway?

Ever hear of half the country is opposed to labor unions but obama pushes them to march and riot against the other side. Words such as "blood will run" were just spoken this week matter of fact. Something about a Republican Governor and yet another "right to work" state where you won't be forced to pay union dues or join against your will.


Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: Frank Lee Speaking

@Joe schmoe

"and every other billionaire and millionaire out there that tries to buy our politicians"

Bet you don't include wealthy people like nazi collaberator George Soros in you list of evil people who buy others with their money, do you? How about all the Wall Street people who supported and gave money to ovomit in '08 and this time around? Or is it only evil when the right does it? LOL


Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: David Gaither

@Joe Schmo

Why is it so hard for union supporting people to understand that the U.S. is not a self-contained economy, anymore? Our workers have to compete with other world worker's wages or those jobs will leave the U.S.! Unions have not shown that they are willing to accept the inevitable lower wages and benefits. Until they do accept this fact...they will slowly be pushed out of business and their members will be out on food stamps and Medicaid.


Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: Joe Schmo

@David Gaither:

You need to realize that the people behind these union-bashing laws are billionaires like the Koch Brothers and lobbying groups like Americans for Prosperity. These people have the current GOP representatives in Michigan running scared. Promising to primary them unless they vote for laws designed to ultimately destroy the unions so we can all get paid less, whether or not we are in a union, and they get richer in the process.

This is the same mentality as Grover Norquist's threat to go after any GOPer who either refuses to sign his pledge or fails to follow it.

Grover Norquist, the Koch Brothers, and every other billionaire and millionaire out there that tries to buy our politicians and threaten them if they don't do their bidding are the problem, not the unions.


Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: colleen nelson

I live on the 3900 block of snavely my husband and i are new to the area we our retired and live on a budget. we put out our christmas decorations, we did not have much a 3 foot light up bear holding a red package and 3 light up stacked presants, we didn`t even get finished or get them pluged in we got up the next morning and they were gone, welcome to kingman.I hope who ever took them has a nice christmas because you sure spoiled ours. If some one sees them remember they were stolen.

Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: Linda Athens

When does an outside organization run the United States?

Ever heard of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and the United Nations? How about Barack Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood? I could go on but it sickens me thinking about even this much.


Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: One Good Thing

It's a good thing our troops don't have the mentallity of the Republican representitives! We'd be in trouble if they took their oath and then signed another agreement that they would never shoot back! Same thing in my book!

Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: David Gaither

Elbert G. Ward wrote:

"Since when does an outside organization run our government?"

Do you mean like the unions run the democrats??

Anson's Nephew wrote:

"Every Republican that singed that pledge should be removed from office...."

I think the Prez should be removed for inciting the unions to violence in Michigan! So there you have it.....crap leadership on both sides!


Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: Uncle Anson

I hate when this happens, but occasionally I agree with my nephew. I would add however that anyone taking the oath is bound to it for life and should act accordingly. Affirmation oaths or loyalty oaths or whatever you choose to call them simply imply that I am of such moral quality that I have no idea of what an oath means.

Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: The Fox Hound

Unfortunatley We the People don't give money to Political campaigns. At least not enough for a canidate to get elected. As you know the Bush court has ruled that Money is free speech and you can spend as much as you like to get elected. That doesn't seem fair to those of us who aren't billionaires but it must seem fair to the Republican party because they are all in favor of it. We are the only country that has elections like this. It is counter productive to running our govt in that canidates have to spend all their time running for the next election, when they should be representing us. Nothing will change until we change this.

Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: Karel Peckar

What, a lobbyist in DC? How can that be? Obama promised to eliminate them four years ago!!!! Could it be that politicians lie?

Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: anonymous anonymous

Technically any elected official who signed this Norquist Pledge sold his votes to them, if not illegal its unethical, do not know of any other group who has any party member democrat, republican, independent etc., sign such a silly document! Norquist could not get elected to dog catcher to any city in America!

Posted: Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Article comment by: Anson's Nephew

Every Republican that singed that pledge should be removed from office for failing to live up to thier oath of office to respect the Constitution and represent the people of the United States.



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